tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post7260958357241289555..comments2023-03-24T01:11:54.270-07:00Comments on Persephone Rising: in reaching for the past...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-11653177199186372902009-10-29T13:46:27.644-07:002009-10-29T13:46:27.644-07:00I may postulate later, but right now I'm openi...I may postulate later, but right now I'm opening the floor to Dan.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03370055087376622917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-30241176549446596162009-10-29T12:36:24.492-07:002009-10-29T12:36:24.492-07:00ok- folks- lets all just take a really deep breath...ok- folks- lets all just take a really deep breath and let ME respond next to everything before anyone else says another word. I CANNOT respond at length right now, but I will later. <br />Until then this topic is CLOSED and any other posts will be deleted until I reopen the discussion.<br />Thanks to all.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03370055087376622917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-42965425385359984692009-10-29T12:26:37.350-07:002009-10-29T12:26:37.350-07:00Em, I don't know this person; she has inserted...Em, I don't know this person; she has inserted herself in a conversation that you and I were having. Be gracious or be gone. She argues many of my own views, as I am an existentialist and see no point whatsoever to this existence, save for the spots of hedonism here and there. SINCE she does not know this, NOR does she care to inquire, she behaves boorishly by not honoring the reality that DAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15392879868389603412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-78960910939543027092009-10-29T11:33:51.183-07:002009-10-29T11:33:51.183-07:00My arguments are quite rational, and your own post...My arguments are quite rational, and your own posts actually support them. The meat of my argument can be boiled down to this: man posesses self-love above all things. <br /><br />You say one of your problems with God is that His existence, and will, somehow detract from your individualism. What is that if not egotism? <br /><br />Ironically, the reality atheists can't coicide with humanism Lupatriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11608170408264427785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-14679830402728612352009-10-29T10:40:48.947-07:002009-10-29T10:40:48.947-07:00No problem Dan- Actually that is a REALLY good que...No problem Dan- Actually that is a REALLY good question. And I appreciate it. I have something to say in that venue- as soon as I take care of some office business.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03370055087376622917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-4483656868643246002009-10-29T10:32:00.879-07:002009-10-29T10:32:00.879-07:00Whoops! Sorry, Em, I didn't see your post. I ...Whoops! Sorry, Em, I didn't see your post. I respectfully withdraw, if required.Dan Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05158878175377730257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-6088812436751827122009-10-29T10:30:09.155-07:002009-10-29T10:30:09.155-07:00"Can love that is forced even be called love?..."Can love that is forced even be called love?"<br /><br />Can "good" that is forced (i.e. threatened with eternal punishment) be called "good?" Can morality that is forced be called moral?Dan Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05158878175377730257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-40663014563667185932009-10-29T10:26:21.500-07:002009-10-29T10:26:21.500-07:00Ok- I didn't read loathing and scorn- but ok. ...Ok- I didn't read loathing and scorn- but ok. So I'm taking an authors perogative and closing the book on this topic. Corners.emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03370055087376622917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-15978666313808077432009-10-29T09:57:59.248-07:002009-10-29T09:57:59.248-07:00I haven't read all of your comments yet, Lupat...I haven't read all of your comments yet, Lupatria, because they drip with loathing and scorn. I can say this much at first blush, though -- I'm really glad I don't know you personally.DAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15392879868389603412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-22347814358740697232009-10-29T07:20:14.427-07:002009-10-29T07:20:14.427-07:00Furthermore, the only thing that gives us the capa...Furthermore, the only thing that gives us the capacity for good is the spark of life breathed into each of us by God. God indwells me, as He does Emily. Day by day, year by year, I grudgingly offer up another piece of my wicked nature to be sublimated by His goodness. I rebel, I grumble, I hate it because I inherently love to be vain and selfish, to enjoy luxury and wit and meanness, but I assureLupatriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11608170408264427785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-43019973595321835152009-10-29T07:19:47.713-07:002009-10-29T07:19:47.713-07:00I think that it is ridiculous to assume a moral co...I think that it is ridiculous to assume a moral code if you do not believe that you will be held accountable to it. Most people who follow the laws of Caesar, follow them only because they are afraid of the consequences if they break the rules, whether that be incarceration, monetary penalties, or even humiliation. It is far more common for a person to follow the rules out of self-preservation Lupatriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11608170408264427785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-19947839810604724792009-10-29T06:28:11.080-07:002009-10-29T06:28:11.080-07:00Not wanting to perplex you at all. I have question...Not wanting to perplex you at all. I have questions and repect you enough to ask them. I don't doubt your ability to be good- I just wanted to know what your philosophy is based on. Whether religious "dogma" is myth or fact it still gives good insite to the actions and failings of humankind. You learn ALOT about people in the Roman and Greek myths and the Norse ones as well. Many emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03370055087376622917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-59429641805509377562009-10-29T00:00:04.570-07:002009-10-29T00:00:04.570-07:00I admit to being slightly perplexed at your questi...I admit to being slightly perplexed at your questions, simply because they seem so "you can't be like me."<br /><br />I get my same moral markers where you do, I just don't presume they come from a god. I was raised in the same country and culture as you -- even to some extent with the same church programming, but even if I had not, I received the same hallmarks: obey laws; be DAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15392879868389603412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-54210565317194043002009-10-25T13:40:15.148-07:002009-10-25T13:40:15.148-07:00Well, this one struck me as rather politically app...Well, this one struck me as rather politically appropo as well. And in this phrase:<br />"And you cling to the things they sold you<br />Did you cover your eyes when they told you<br />That He can’t come back<br />Because He has no children to come back for"<br />Seriously brought to mind not only the Evangel/Fundi Prosperity Lies- which have NOTHING to do with any premise or command emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03370055087376622917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7957998928452756626.post-57280258799558325032009-10-25T11:40:31.562-07:002009-10-25T11:40:31.562-07:00I've long been a closeted George Michael fan. ...I've long been a closeted George Michael fan. This is one of his slower, sadder songs, and he has several of those that never got radio play. <br /><br />I can laud you for your committment to those less fortunate than you, Emily, in the name of your beliefs. But I can also believe that you would be the same person without those beliefs.DAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15392879868389603412noreply@blogger.com